Nov
Lots to address
Posted by The *Angriest* Pharmacist as Education, Hospital Pharmacy, Patient Education, True Story
Hello world! Buckle up, we’ve got a bunch of issues we’re going to cover today. The first relates back to a recent post about how to bust a fraudulent prescription. Watch this video about the prescription drug problem in Michigan. Turns out, they have an awesome system tracking prescriptions. They can view in real time all the patients that are doctor shopping, track the number of pills they’ve received, and even access all of their information. This is, of course, not a public database. Yet, the agency charged with tracking this data and generating the reports has no ground to stand on — as it’s not illegal in Michigan to “doctor shop,” and the state prosecutor doesn’t want to waste his time on these cases — he just wants the big dogs…for the glory of the big bust and getting his face on the evening news…What a crock of shit.
The funniest thing about the video is the very last sentence the reporter speaks. The lady they had all but busted doctor shopping refused an interview and said she was merely seeing all those doctors because she was going out of town and she needed to make sure she had enough Vicodin to last her. I just fucking wonder who paid for those prescriptions — it sure as shit wasn’t her, and I’d bet anything she made a good amount of money selling them on the skreeet. It’s a dollar a milligram in my area for hydrocodone and oxycodone (yes, they are considered the same per street rules). Xanax usually runs 10 bucks for 2 milligrams. Anyway…
If one breaks the law, regardless of how big of an issue it may be, it is the job of the prosecutors to see the case to fruition whether it be court, plea, or otherwise. Hopefully, you guys can get this changed! I’d really like to hear from some of our Michigan pharmacists — you guys have access to this program, Michigan Automated Prescription Service (MAPS), do you use it? Is it accurate and trustworthy? Do you use it to check sketchy patients and subsequently use it to deny them service?
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I’m sure most of you have noticed that my number of posts has recently gone from 5/wk to 0/wk. I’ve gotten about 20 emails asking me where I’ve been! Have I gone on vacation? Did my dog die? Did my dox get dropped? Make no mistake – if I go on vacation or something happens to me, it’ll get on the website somehow. My last will and testament has direction for how to notify readers of my untimely, but all to expected, death…:-)
I feel awkward announcing this to the world. I’ve gained all my steam on this website because of my job. I am a community/retail pharmacist in Anytown, USA! Well, starting last Wednesday I’ve been working in a highly clinical role.
The clinical pharmacist at my local area hospital decided he wanted to get drunk in Hawaii for two weeks. Last year, they paid tons of cash to bring in a replacement for the two weeks. This year, the approached me about a month ago to see if I could do it. I’ve known the clinical guy there for quite some time. I spent the weekend prior to his vacation with him getting trained on my duties, their computer system (which is sweet), and pretty much everything a new employee would need. And yes, I had to watch that stupid fucking HIPAA video with the red headed lady that eavesdrops all over the hospital.
So, I arrive there at about 6am. There are three teams right now, and I am on two of them (the third team has a Pharm.D., MD on it…showoff!). Rounds for Team 1 start at 7:00am, and rounds for team 2 start at 8:30am. I do Vanc/Gent for the entire hospital. I also modify TPNs. Physicians set the initial TPN, and I modify them based on patient needs and expenditures (This was the HARDEST thing to remember for me because of the chemistry/equations I hadn’t touched in 5 years – at least Vanc/Gent is plug and chug)Â I also narrow therapies based on C&S and patient needs. I’m also seeing that everyone gets normal health maintenance stuff while in house (stress ulcer prophylaxis, DVT prophylaxis, vitamins, vaccinations) – this was an initiative initiated by the normal clinical guy. I also do all discharge education (obviously).
I’m not a BCPS (Board Certified Pharmacotherapy Specialist) like he is, but I think I’m getting along just fine. Apparently, I’m eligible to take the exam — it’s 3 years after you graduate or immediately after you complete a residency…I’m not sure if that’s true or not. Anywho, the physicians all respected him immensely — and rightfully so. He is the smartest fucker I’ve ever met. I shit you not, I never asked him a question he didn’t know. He’s like a walking Koda-Kimble-Dipiro Database. That has been good and bad for me. Good in the sense that the physicians all believe in the importance of me being on the team because of the asset he is but bad because I don’t know everything he does, and I have to use the ole idiot-student-reply, “I’m not quite sure. I’ll research that and get back to you as soon as possible.” Needless to say, I look up quite a few things.
I’ve answered a lot of questions on rounds. I feel like I’m really an asset. They all appreciate and respect me, and it makes me feel all tingly inside. I was even asked to be the ‘leader’ of Grand Rounds this week. Essentially, I presented a current patient case then educated on a disease state. I chose my favorite because I already know a lot about it — Cirrhosis and associate complications. I talked about it all: portal hypertension, varices, acute management of variceal bleeds (including some preparation guidelines that I created for the hospital so that they had shit ready to go in case a cirrhosis patient pops a bleed – somatostatin, rapid infuser, plasma, platelets, blood typing/Rh factor early and blood stocked closely), hepatic encephalopathy, Child-Pugh classification….everything.
I got a good reception. I think it went very well, and I didn’t sound retarded.
And, of course, some dickhead doctor asked me a trick question — trying to throw me in front of the train, and I caught it and fired back.
“What are normal ammonia levels?”
“This institution considers 10-75 micrograms per deciliter within normal limits.”
“And, based on your clinical experience, at what level of hyperammonemia do you initiate treatment?” [Yeah...he was being a dick here. This was only like my 7th day there...ever...I have no clinical experience, but I knew the answer.]
“Actually, that’s a common misconception. You do not initiate treatment in cirrhosis based on ammonia levels. Ammonia levels alone do not dictate the presence of hepatic encephalopathy. Some patients could have a level of 80 and have severe symptoms, and another could have a level of 100 and be asymptomatic. Ideally, we would treat as symptoms emerge such as asterixis primarily, impaired cognition, confusion, agitation, euphoria, insomnia, and reversal of day-night sleeping pattern.” [I had them written down.]
“Oh. I see…” [He knew it. He just wanted me to fail.]
A few minutes later, he asked me about hepatorenal syndrome. I omitted it from my presentation because there really isn’t much to say, and we don’t have a hepatologist or a transplant team. I mean, there’s two types. In type one, you die within a month. In type two, you die within 6 months. He asked me what the cure was…
“The cure? Well, you can try an extensive fluid challenge to unlock the renal vasoconstriction — something like 2 liters with a rapid infuser. It won’t work, but you should try it. Most likely, your patients with this have advanced cirrhosis and will be on the liver transplant list if eligible. If they develop hepatorenal, you’d need to move their name up on the list quite a bit…”
Well, that’s about it.
I don’t really like the sound of, The Angriest Clinical Pharmacist. They’ve offered me the position on a semi permanent basis. Just a few days a week. Since winter is approaching they are going to expand to 4 teams. However, if I took it, I could no longer be the PIC at my pharmacy…so no deal…
Retail is what I am…I haven’t had my fill yet…:-)
Concerning those prosecutors, perhaps they should have a “corresponding responsibility” clause of their own, i.e., you get a controlled-drug case, you CANNOT look the other way.
That’s a great idea! I didn’t know there was such a thing.
Cute ending! And kudos on a job well done. Very impressive.
I wanna meet this walking Dipiro, though. Sounds inspiring.
He’s an anomaly.
A change of pace is nice once in a while, especially if your ego can get a boost at the same time. And that was a nice kick to the nuts on Doc Dickhead.
Hey…I would also really like to go on a two week bender in Hawaii. Are you available to throw stock at Kroger on the midnight shift for me for? Change of pace and all that, plus it’s retail, which means you can still direct frenzied teenage girls to the pregnancy test aisle in the middle of the night.
Only if they can offer me the same as the hospital. $50/hr and free office visits to all their practitioners.
Trust me, there are very angry clinical pharmacists out there. Especially when you put them with a crazy nurse.
I used to work with one of those walking textbooks. Sometimes, it was humbling, others, it was an ego boost – just being around him garnered me more respect rom the medical staff.
Re: Dr Dickhead… Were there medical residents in attendance? If so, maybe he asked about things you hadn’t mentioned for their benefit. I’ve had attendings do that, not trying to be asses, but trying to extend the dicussion topic further. Glad you had the answers…
That’s a good point. There were several residents, one med student, and one pharmacy student (not mine – hope she doesn’t read this blog) there. That could be the case. I haven’t been around the guy much, so the next time we round together, I’ll get a better read on him and report back to you.
Wow. I’m glad I wasn’t a prick about my answers. I answered them as if someone asked them and was honestly curious. Wow…Thanks!
Speaking of PharmD, MD and MD, DDS. Do you think there’s an overacheiver out there that’s a PharmD, MD, DDS ?
Gawd, I hope not…
However, I could envision someone getting a 6-year Pharm.D then doing a mudfud program and ending up:
TheAngriestPharmacist MD, Ph.D., Pharm.D., FACS, BCPS, CDE
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I agree with sickofstupidpeople. I’ve had physicians ask me some tough questions that they knew I knew, just to keep the discussion going and hoping that others would get involved. It helps me look good too. But, yes, there certainly are those that try “to put this pharmacist back in my place.”
Congratulations on a job well done. Maybe you will take the leap to clinical pharmacy that I took after a very short career in retail pharmacy. It has been the best decision I have ever made.
P.S. Yes, you would be eligible to take the BPS exam after 3 years of “clinical experience with a PharmD degree.” After I made the switch, I practiced for three years and then studied for the exam. Well worth the wait.
Traitor.
Go be with your big words and fancy labcoat. I’ll be making fun of your ass (again!) on my website soon enough.
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I only wore my coat the first day. Everyone made fun of me because it’s covered in coal tar and amoxicillin. So, I stopped wearing it.
Hell, apothecaries started wearing them to merely protect their clothes, not as a status symbol or an announcement of degree or importance. I’ve no reason to wear it anymore, and it’s not required by hospital policy.
And I think it’s about time you and I started to duke it out once again. It’d really drum up the ratings…:-)
Great walk-on job to ‘clinical rounds leader’! It sounds like your friend is not only book-smart, but knows who to suggest to cover him when he’s gone. Maybe you’d consider PT retail/clinical, or a moonlighting pharmacy professorship?
Anymore, it’s my opinion that pharmacists need to be ‘in the know’ with what’s going on daily in several areas of pharmacy practice. (I’ve been mulling over nightly how to get some balanced pharmacy input to President-elect Obama, suggesting putting a well-rounded pharmacist on his team to help with upcoming up healthccare policy-making decisions); care for a nomination? The thing is, practicing professionals get a government post and then get out of the ‘practice’ so to speak, and pharmacy/healthcare being a dynamic ‘beast’ need someone who can both walk the walk as well as talk the talk. On the other hand, I’ve read some things that B. Obama has given statements and it does sound like he has a pretty good head on his shoulders basically. (Just don’t want someone advising him that calls themself ‘RPh’ but really represents a single patient or pharmaceutical industry or insurance payors or pharmacy education, or solely making the bottom line happy etc.
TAPest,
While I’m not a pharmacist in Michigan (yet), I have seen a pharmacist I’ve worked under access the MAPS database. It’s actually pretty slick. I’m not sure exactly how the information gets into the database (if it comes by way of the insurance companies, directly from the pharmacy or what) and in the 5 years I worked there I only ever saw it used once. A patient came in, looking visibly strung out, with a script for norco I think about 10 min before close on a Friday night. The pharmacist checked the database, called the doc (left a message… it was friday night, come on…) and I never saw the patient or heard what happened with it. I assume the script was just shredded and never filled per docs orders, but I never really knew. So, I guess to answer your question, yeah, I’ve seen it used and to my limited knowledge seemed accurate. Could be an awesome tool, but I only ever saw it used that once.
I work in Michigan, and my pharmacist uses MAPS pretty frequently. Most recently we had a patient who kept “losing” his Ritalin. The physicians at the ambulatory clinic where I’m on rotations also use it all of the time to see if patients are violating their controlled substance contracts. It’s pretty neat, but you run into trouble when patients use the name of their spouse/children/dog on the script
congrats on the clinicals! I think it’s kind of inspiring what you’re doing.
You should do it! How often does a clinical position get offered to someone who hasn’t got the BCPS after their name? If I were you I’d do it in a heartbeat.
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