Pharmacy Class of Trade
I got the following message from Steve Moore, an independent Pharmacy owner. I wasn't sure what to do with it or how to share it with the world. Therefore, I'm just going to post it here for all to see. I'm not going to post his contact info, but he's welcome to post that in the comments section (as well as links and references).
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My name is Steve Moore and I am an independent pharmacy owner from New York. I am wondering if you would consider sharing your thoughts on the following topic, one I think that most pharmacists would be interested in.
When it comes to business side of our profession, most pharmacists don't have a clue as to what is going on. As an owner, it affects me more than most, and I don't comprehend all of the complexities. After speaking to some other pharmacists in my area, I came to realize that they are under the impression that mail order pharmacies were simply discount pharmacies, that mail order just filled prescriptions at a lower price than retail pharmacies. That may or not be true, the larger issue is that mail order pharmacies are able to offer deeply discounted medications because they are purchasing medication a better price than retail pharmacies. PHARMA grants them a special class of trade (COT). I attempted to find a law/rule/etc that grants mail order pharmacies these special buying privileges as a different COT and was unable to do so. I wrote to consulting companies and wholesalers and I was told that there is no such list. If there is no government approved or provided COT list, what makes mail order special other than the fact that PHARMA says so?
My question is, if mail order can do it, why can't community pharmacy designate itself as a special COT? Mail order promotes safety and accuracy, we have a robots and workflow too. We can fill antibiotics and pain meds, mail order cannot. We can deliver meds the same day, mail order cannot. Mail order simply cannot meet 100% of our pharmaceutical needs. If any group deserves a price break from PHARMA, shouldn't it be the group that can meet more needs?
There is a federal law known as the Robinson-Patman Act which specifically prohibits companies from selling the same products to competitors at different prices (order of magnitude wise). Exemptions to this act exist to allow nonprofits (such as hospitals) to purchase medication for their own use at a discounted price. In addition to the hospital COT, there is a 340b class (for now), a long term care class, and depending upon who you ask, anywhere from 7 - 23 classes. The one constant is that the retail pharmacy COT pays the most for medications. COT designations have been challenged in the past but were usually lost on the basis of own use. That meaning, the nonprofit was purchasing medications to use for its patients/employees/etc and was not in competition with retail pharmacies. Mail order pharmacies are for profit and are clearly competing with retail pharmacies, so in my mind a Robinson-Patman exemption should not apply. I understand supply and demand and that some people can pay more than others for the same product, but we are not talking about a few bucks here and there, rather exponential differences. The local hospital pays about $9 for 100 tablets of brand name Coumadin, what does the price sticker on the bottle in your store read?
The fact that mail order pharmacies are buying medications at a lower price than retail pharmacies has an impact on every pharmacist filling 90 day prescriptions at retail for mail order rates. I am not saying that if reimbursement improves, working conditions will improve, but it can't hurt to make pharmacists aware of what is going on. I have contacted our trade associations and industry publications but am also reaching out to bloggers such as yourself. If you feel that this may be something you would like to blog or post about, I can provide some links and references.
Thanks for your time.
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interesting. Fortunately, for the time being, we are not affected in Australia by mail order chemists, It surprises me that they even allow it at all in any country, it doesn’t seem like the best option.
Either way it’s good to see people taking action for the betterment of the pharmacy profession, in any country.
I would like to see links and references pertaining to the Robinson-Patman Act and anything relating to how it affects the pharmacy world. Great letter.
FWIW, the pharmacy industry trade associations (NCPA and NACDS) lobbied to redefine the retail class of trade in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), a.k.a., “Obamacare.” Section 2503 of the law states:
“(10) RETAIL COMMUNITY PHARMACY- The term `retail community pharmacy’ means an independent pharmacy, a chain pharmacy, a supermarket pharmacy, or a mass merchandiser pharmacy that is licensed as a pharmacy by the State and that dispenses medications to the general public at retail prices. Such term does not include a pharmacy that dispenses prescription medications to patients primarily through the mail, nursing home pharmacies, long-term care facility pharmacies, hospital pharmacies, clinics, charitable or not-for-profit pharmacies, government pharmacies, or pharmacy benefit managers.”
This change was intended to “fix” the AMP problem.
As noted political theorist Mark Knopfler wrote: “When you point your finger cos your plan fell through, You got three more fingers pointing back at you.”
Adam
The crux of this problem is that nobody except a pharmacist has any idea that this is the case. I’ve worked in both Hospital and Retail and have seen the same stock bottle from the same wholesaler delivered on the same day cost 10x as much in the outpatient pharmacy versus inpatient. Short of some outfit like “60 Minutes” getting wind of this as a result of a class action lawsuit, I can’t see any way to get the general public (including lawmakers) to realize the situation. Of course, that extreme markup to retail is probably what is keeping a lot of wholesalers afloat.
I was not aware mail order pharmacies were able to purchase drugs for a significant amount less than retail pharmacies. Do you (or anyone else reading) have proof of this?
I will email the original author and ask him to come field questions in the comments and post links to his references.
The author of the original post is not well informed about Robinson-Patman. Here is the FTC’s summary: http://www.ftc.gov/bc/antitrust/price_discrimination.shtm.
I explain class-of-trade pricing and pharmacy acquisition costs in The 2010-11 Economic Report on Retail and Specialty Pharmacies at http://www.pembrokeconsulting.com/pharmacy.html.
Anyone interested in these issues should also study the Brand Name Prescription Drugs Antitrust Litigation of the 1990s.
Adam
its the “sam’s club” rule… the more you buys the better the discount. mail order and large retain chains buys more and therefore pay less. independents do not have anywhere near the volume to justify large ordering discounts.
Sorry for the delay in my reply, work has been a little out of control the past few weeks. Anyway, without getting into too much detail at this point I will leave you with an email exchange at the end of my comment. Please remove individual names and contact information before posting. I apologize if I missed your email, the SPAM folder has been out of control recently so I might have deleted it by mistake. Shoot me an email and I will respond with the links and references.
I am not a lawyer, but I do disagree with Mr. Fein. The reason NCPA and NACDS wanted mail order removed from the definition of AMP is due to price disparity that exists. Why would I want my reimbursement based upon what pharmacies owned by PBMS are buying medication for? I am still waiting for Pfizer to send me my kickback, I mean rebate, for the Celebrex I bought last year though.
Pricing of prescription medication is nothing more than a glorified shell game as evidenced by the class of trade designations (how many are there exactly) and rebates. Medicaid programs with brands preferred to generics due to lower net cost after rebates, 340B, mail order, the profession of pharmacy is suffering as a result of these pricing disparities.
I have had exchanges such as the following and will keep you up to date on the results of the analysis. My basic question remains. I am serving the same patients, why do I get a discount as a mail order pharmacy?
Hi Steve.
I can help you with this.
I will need from you a list of the current high volume NDCs or a list of NDCs that you expect to dispense more often if you were to open a Mail Order facility. If you can provide me your top 250 or 500 NDCs with your monthly volume, I will be able to run a comparative for Retail vs Mail Order.
I also wanted to speak with you to update our records on your facility. Please let me know what will be the best time for me to call you.
Thank you.
Burton Taleon
Corporate PAR Alt Site/HI
Managed Health Care Associates, Inc.
25-B Vreeland Road, Suite 300
P.O. Box 789
Florham Park, NJ 07932
Tel: 973-805-2891
Fax: 973-805-9441
E-mail: btaleon@mhainc.com
From: Condo Pharmacy [mailto:condopharmacy@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:30 PM
To: Burton Taleon
Subject: Class of Trade
Burton,
Would you be able to give me an idea as to the savings I could expect if I was to open a mail order pharmacy (versus retail)? We have started our own PBM and I would like to see what type of pricing I could provide my clients by opening a mail order facility.
Steve Moore
Condo Pharmacy
28 Montcalm Ave
Plattsburgh, NY 12901
http://www.condopharmacy.com
Phone: 518-563-3400
Fax: 518-563-5946
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