The importance of lifelong learning
I got this guest post submission from a student and found it pretty funny. I'd be there are a TON of pharmacists that are just as clueless here in the states. If you don't use it, you lose it. I know that I don't remember a lot of the intricate stuff I knew back during and right after school. But, I do read, learn, and occassionally challenge myself. This is one of the reasons I like to have students. Constantly explaining things to them helps me remember it, and at the same time, they will know things that I do not remember. Having them teach me benefits me with knowledge and them with recollection and presentation. If you want to keep up and remember stuff, get some students on rotations -- trust me. CE's are worthless in general. When compared to students, they are a waste of time.
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I understand the Unites States requires every pharmacist to get a doctorate prior to becoming qualified. However, in Australia, it isn’t required. It is still an undergraduate degree, so we come out after only four years of studying, do a year’s internship, pass our registration exams and we’re done. Every year, we have to enough “points” every year to remain registered as a way to encourage our ongoing learning.
As I’m still in my third year of my degree at the wonderful University of Sydney, we are required to undertake externships, where we get sent to pharmacies for “workplace experience”. I undertook my externship at a medical centre in Sydney’s north.
As one would presume, the entire purpose of my presence there was to learn. The medical centre pharmacy was small enough for only one pharmacist and pharmacist assistant to run the store.
I was questioning the pharmacist present at the time of the several of the drugs people came in for. One of them was quetiapine- as one should know- an atypical antipsychotic.
“What class of antipsychotic is quetiapine?” I asked.
The pharmacist replied curtly, “I don’t know.”
At that time, the pharmacist assistant, who is also qualified, hospital nurse, commented that he should know coz he just passed his registration exams a few months ago.
So I continued to ask: “Why do antipsychotics cause suicidal thoughts at times?”
“I don’t know.”
Do you fucking know anything?
Let’s try something else then. “Why do topical corticosteroids thin out the skin?”
“I don’t know.”
How much did you bribe the examiner to let you pass your registration exams?!
Ok, so I dropped that topic. So I asked about shingles. “I heard shingles is called herpes zoster, but it’s caused by the varicella virus. So does that mean herpes and varicella virus are the same?”
Again, “I don’t know.”
The pharmacist did not look at me the entire time, so I looked at the computer screen he was typing away at. He was on Wikipedia searching up shingles.
WIKIPEDIA.
SURELY, THERE ARE MORE RESPECTABLE & TRUSTWORTHY REFERENCES TO TURN TO? ALL OF THEM HAVE AN ELECTRONIC VERSION AVAILABLE. MEDSCAPE. AUSTRALIAN MEDICINES HANDBOOK. MIMS ONLINE. THERAPEUTIC GUIDELINES.
“I don’t know anything. Stop asking me questions.”
That’s exactly what I did. So for the rest of my externship that day, I didn’t ask any questions. This incompetent pharmacist went on to report me with an “attitude, and is not willing to learn”.
Oh wait, what? So did not see that one coming.
I have seen a variety of pharmacists in the professional field over the three years I’ve been studying and working in pharmacies. I’ve seen the best pharmacists who are able to treat palmoplantar psoriasis and various skin conditions better than doctors can. I’ve also seen the negligent; one pharmacist gave out Nurofen Plus to a patient with an active peptic ulcer just because they requested it by brand. Even with my incomplete education, I know that I should have offered an alternative, perhaps paracetamol [acetaminophen] for your headache?
The pharmacist I worked with during my externship rivals the worst pharmacists simply due to his knowledge gap. I don’t think customers realise it because all he does is assume the doctor has given all the instructions to the patient, so he doesn’t have to do it, and most customers are regulars so they’ve been on the medications for many years.
Being a young pharmacist isn’t an excuse for being ignorant. Pharmacists are the second most respected profession [second only to emergency workers] so don’t tarnish our reputation!
Two months worth of reader email
Sorry, I've been....deficient the last two months. I'm not going to promise any more, but I can tell you this. I will have a response for Mr. Plagakis pretty soon. Don't expect anything revolutionary. Don't expect anything mindblowing. Just expect a clear, concise response. Naught but the truth. I also want to look back at some older posts in which he referenced me about releasing steam (in a hilarious masturbation simile) and how/why the post titled, "Jay Pee catches Wal-Mart peeping through the window" relates directly to all of it...
Below, I'm going to post several different things that came to me via email or the CONTACT link. I'll lead with the user's name, and if you wish to reply to one, just reference that name....or don't...I don't care...
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Liz writes: In the past few weeks, our pharmacy has started checking ID for controlled drugs, scanning in new Rx and scanning in hard copies. All of a sudden, our workload has tripled, but our company is cutting tech help. Is anyone else finding this hard to manage?
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Rodney writes: I work as a reimbursement specialist at an LTC Pharmacy, and I'm writing to share an interesting exchange I've had with representatives at Prescription Solutions over the past few days.
I've had a few basic rejections which, were the representatives at Prescription Solutions even modestly intelligent by today's decidedly low standards, should have been able to resolve with much rapidity. Instead, I got stuck with slack-jawed yokels and embittered, defensive inner-city youth. They turned requests for overrides to simple rejections into drawn out, unintelligible arguments, and once they'd been cornered or otherwise became bored with the exchange, they hung up on me mid-sentence.
I may not be the bubbliest person in the world. On the contrary, I'm frank and to the point, but never did I become enraged, and never did I insult or otherwise disrespect the reps in any way. Prescription Solutions - hell, the insurance industry as a whole - has no shortage of stupid, rude, and disinterested people, but I've never had any with the gall to abruptly hang up on a service call. Now, over the past two days, it has happened to me four times.
Though I feel somewhat vindicated by the fact that return calls yielded exchanges with intelligent reps who applied the necessarily overrides with absolutely no hassle, I am perturbed by this sudden shoddy treatment. I know PS has seen extraordinarily long hold times as of late, what are the odds the reps have been granted free reign to terminate calls from "problem callers" (that is, of course, callers who question the rep's ill-informed initial judgment)?
Any thoughts? Similar experiences?
[TAestP's thoughts: I believe the reasoning behind this is, as always, money. When the question is, "Why?" most of the time, the answer is money. In this case, I'd bet if you timed your calls, you got hung up on at specific intervals....something like 3 minutes, 59 seconds. If the agents keep their calls (or a certain percentage) less than 4 minutes, they probably get higher ratings or a bonus at the end of the day. They may also have rewards/cut offs at 10 minutes or 15 minutes. Of course, the person could have just been an asshole, accidentally hung up, or hung up on you because they are lazy and/or didn't know the answer.]
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Lillian writes: I found your blog a few days ago and I love it so far. From your posts, you seem to know a lot about retail pharmacy so I was wondering if you could answer a question for me: Is it true that the field is getting very saturated, very quickly?
A few of my professors warn us that it will be much harder to find a job in retail by the time we graduate (2016). And I've been hearing a lot of people saying that retail is going downhill.
I know there will be more competition for the jobs in several years because of there are more students going into pharmacy now. And I get the feeling that maybe one of my professors is exaggerating the situation to encourage us to go into other pharmacy fields. But do you think this saturation is something to be seriously be worried about?
For the record, I would try to go into retail no matter what the situation is...I just don't want to be completely caught off guard after graduation.
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Kristin Writes:
Dear TAestP,
I know someone who filled a Rx at a CVS. The pharmacist later called and texted her saying "Remember me from CVS? Would love to get coffee with you some time?--Weirdasspharmacist [sic] " She responded that she wasn't interested. She didn't get any more fills there, but she was afraid of contacting his manager or pharmacy baord because CVS had her information on file and the pharmacist could look it up and perhaps do something scary like stalking.
TAestP, what would you recommend doing?
[TAestP's thoughts: If this is true, it is creepy as hell. You are right that CVS would have the info, and he would have access to it. But, he's already pretty much risked his license by doing this -- taking it from creepy to full on stalking would definitely result in a meeting with his state's Board of Pharmacy. If he is not the pharmacy manager at that location, I would call and speak with the pharmacy manager about the incident. Tell her it made you (or her) uncomfortable and that you would like the manager to give your information to their district manager so he/she can call you at their earliest convenience. Then discuss the matter with the DM. I'd be almost anything this would squash absolutely any issue -- cause that DM does NOT want you making a formal complaint with the board. If he is the manager at that store, call a nearby store's pharmacy manager and do the exact same thing. If this does not get you to an ends that you are happy with -- or you get blown off at any level -- google the state's board of pharmacy. One call to them with an accusation like this would definitely result in an investigation and something would be done. Tell your friend I'm sorry my text creeped her out -- she's not gonna like the photos I'm sending tonight....just kidding of course.....:-D]
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Mike writes: so...i witnessed a patient ingest 90mg of methadone...the patient's prescribed dose was 40mg...i gave him the wrong bottle
i'm getting kicked out of pharmacy school 4 months before graduation...what do i do now? should i submit my resume to the nearest McDonald's?
[TAestP's Thoughts: Either this is untrue and you're trying to waste my time, you're just a general dumb ass, or you have done a ton of other stupid bullshit. Regardless of what anyone may think, there is only one person responsible for what pill goes out the door and into the hands of a patient -- the pharmacist on duty. I don't care if the technician accidentally typed in Oxycodone instead of Omnicef for an infant, I still believe the ultimate responsibility should lay on the pharmacist that verified the prescription. (intentional bullshit and other types of lying and deceit aside -- I'm talking about true accidents by ancillary staff not caught by the pharmacist) However, it does sound like you are in some other kind of facility or setting. Since you witnessed the patient do it -- not sure what that means as a patient should never be handed a pill by pharmacy staff to take -- that changes the role from dispensing to administering which we cannot do (in terms of pills).
If the school threw you out, and this is a true story, you're probably fucked. Sorry dude. I guess you could appeal and plead to the school, but that's the thing with private universities, they can do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want. Other than that, see if another school will take you or get a lawyer....or get a job and good luck paying back all those loans....]
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That'll do for now....check back for the next post coming soon....
Random Musings Concerning The Last Week’s Pharmacy Meanderings
1. Monday, I had a lady come up to the counter and ask where I carried the "Lacklend, Lacklyn, or Lacklin -- something like that." [I asked her for some possible spellings] After searching, I was pretty sure she was looking for Lac-Hydrin...possibly Lansinoh which is Lanolin. I presented these findings to her along with a product list of the various sizes of Lac-Hydrins. At this point, she became adamant that it was "LackLend" and that I wasn't looking right. At this point, I told her I thought I remembered them having the product on sale at a specialty pharmacy that is about 45 minutes away. Since she didn't bother to call me, I can only hope she drives all the way there to get the product. Either listen to reason or get told complete bullshit.
2. Had a very rotund person (never seen her before -- so not a regular) came in and ask me about getting a shingles vaccine as she did not want to catch it from any of her friends. I told her that it was in no way contagious. She goes on to say that 2 or 3 of her friends have it or have had it and that her doctor told her that "IT. WAS. CONTAGIOUS!" I told her that "I will back off my previous statement a very small bit -- If a person comes into contact with a shingles rash, for instance if they are covering the wounds and come into contact with the actual seeping wound, they could potentially catch CHICKENPOX if they had not previously had CHICKENPOX or the CHICKENPOX Vaccination. Shingles, meaning the form of chickenpox that comes back up later in life and causes serious pain, cannot be transmitted from on person to another." [Source: http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/experts_zos.asp] Her response was a steadfast, "Well, my doctor doesn't agree. He says you can get it from anyone that has shingles on their skin or has ever had it."
At this point, I once again took the position of not giving a fuck. Either listen to reason or go away. I told her, "If your doctor is telling you this, and he is serious, I think you need to get a new doctor. As I can print out several different papers and references in just a few minutes that would disprove that notion."
Her response was, nothing less than I expected, "Maybe I should get a new pharmacist..." I just sad, in a trailing voice but loud enough for her to full figure out what I PROBABLY said, "I think you should do that you stupid fat bitch..." Believe me...she was being a standoffish, stupid, fat bitch.
3. Had a lady come to pick up a refill for, of course, Xanax. It was later in the night -- slowed down immensely. I was completely caught up and actually listening to the radio a bit. She came to the pickup window, I looked up her name and immediately saw that we had requested refills, and we had not heard back. She looks me right in the eye and says, "Is it in you box? I mean...can you check your box?...Is it in your box?" I really wanted to say, "Why no, have you checked YOUR BOX? I'm sure we could hide a set of car keys in there!" Instead, she goes into a long diatribe about how a 3 months ago she came to pick up her refill and we told her it wasn't called it...only to find out that after she drove "all the way to the doctor's office," [a gas-chugging 4-5 minutes away] "it was sitting on the counter as there was a problem with it." [The doctor faxed it back sans signature] So, I stand by the statement that the doctor hadn't really done his job! At that juncture, we had faxed them back for ANOTHER Auth. Today, I told her that our inBOX didn't receive prescriptions (just email). She asked me to check our voicemail BOX, and I told her I didn't need to as our number of VMs is displayed on screen [I had ZERO]. No other BOXes to check...cept yours, biggun'!
Your refill? Yeah, it’s too soon
This is a guest post from a technician known for now as J.S. -- s/he will be responding to all comments as necessary. Should you want to send a private email, please use the CONTACT Page and I will forward it on to him/her.
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"REFILL TOO SOON," GUYS. That means, in pharmacy lingo, your insurance will not pay for your prescription until the resubmit date. One late night at the pharmacy, which by the way is in the ghetto, a woman comes in to refill her son’s prescription. As I processed the prescription I explained to her that it is a REFILL TOO SOON and the insurance wouldn’t pay for the refill until tomorrow morning. She obviously wouldn’t accept that answer and went into a rant against me (a technician), the pharmacist working with me, and our drug store. As I recall it went something like this:
“My baby needs his medication! He is sick! He needs it NOW!!!!! You stupid white bitch you had better fill my prescription or im going to kick your ass! Her's too. That other bitch pharmacist! What you think yous better than me? I want it now! Ima get me suma that shit now and my momma gon' pay for it! Make it now! Get it ready, Bitch!”
I looked at her, looked at the pharmacist, and explained to the woman that if she would WAIT ONE MORE DAY [less than 18 hours, actually], the prescription wouldn’t have copay because this woman was on state assisted insurance.
I told her that the medication would be $45 and if she wanted it, she could pay for it, but that amount wouldn’t be refunded the next day. Her response, although not responsive to the information, went something like this:
“What you think I’m broke, bitch? I can’t pay for my babay's medicine? Fuck you ima just buy it ima just buy it you can’t tell me what to do, this my babay, THIS MY BABY AND HE NEEDS HIS MEDICINE NOW GET IT READY DUMB BITCH.”
You're not broke? Oh, okay. Then I guess you’re just one of those lazy folks who doesn’t work and just expects the government to pay for your prescriptions. I can safely assume you are probably on food stamps too? Welfare? You're yelling at me, and I am partially paying for your prescription by paying taxes? I have no choice but to have my tax dollars used to pay for “your babay's medicine,” and I have no choice but to abide by your every wish and want because 'the customer is always right,' right? So, I swallowed my insults, and I bottled my anger, and filled the prescription.
By this time, her mom (the "babay's" grandma) came to the counter and apologized profusely with the accurate explanation that woman was mentally retarded. MENTALLY RETARDED. And she has children? What the fuck. You can draw your own conclusions on that one. And by the way, after all that, she didn’t, or better yet, her mom didn’t buy the medication because she, having some sense about her, WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT DAY. By the way, the drug was for SEASONAL ALLERGIES. Not seizures, not juvenile diabetes, not horrible psoriasis, not dangerous asthma, not epi or glucagon. SEASONAL ALLERGIES. Couldn't wait 18 hours, and *I'm* the dumb bitch.
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